http://www.opengardensblog.futuretext.com/archives/2007/11/web_20_is_the_w_1.html Wireless mobility - Innovation - Digital convergence - mobile web 2.0 Thu, 19 Jan 2012 13:47:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 http://www.opengardensblog.futuretext.com/archives/2007/11/web_20_is_the_w_1.html/comment-page-1#comment-1285 Anonymous Tue, 08 Jul 2008 20:59:43 +0000 http://dev5.indigocontenthost.co.uk/archives/2007/11/web_20_is_the_w_1.html#comment-1285 I don't know about you, but Web 2.0 is moving too fast for me. I've found a new social networking site every day now for 24 days in a row! How is a php programmer like me, supposed to compete with that! I have a few bright ideas every now and then, but I feel snuffed out in the flurry of the web. At this rate my ideas are becoming obsolete by the time I implement them. Depressing, isn't it? I don’t know about you, but Web 2.0 is moving too fast for me. I’ve found a new social networking site every day now for 24 days in a row! How is a php programmer like me, supposed to compete with that! I have a few bright ideas every now and then, but I feel snuffed out in the flurry of the web. At this rate my ideas are becoming obsolete by the time I implement them. Depressing, isn’t it?

]]> http://www.opengardensblog.futuretext.com/archives/2007/11/web_20_is_the_w_1.html/comment-page-1#comment-1284 Ajit Jaokar Sat, 17 Nov 2007 21:02:11 +0000 http://dev5.indigocontenthost.co.uk/archives/2007/11/web_20_is_the_w_1.html#comment-1284 Thanks Tim. My response as per <a href="http://opengardensblog.futuretext.com/archives/2007/11/web_20_inside_r.html" rel="nofollow">http://opengardensblog.futuretext.com/archives/2007/11/web_20_inside_r.html</a> kind rgds Ajit Thanks Tim. My response as per http://opengardensblog.futuretext.com/archives/2007/11/web_20_inside_r.html
kind rgds Ajit

]]> http://www.opengardensblog.futuretext.com/archives/2007/11/web_20_is_the_w_1.html/comment-page-1#comment-1283 Tim O'Reilly Wed, 14 Nov 2007 03:45:26 +0000 http://dev5.indigocontenthost.co.uk/archives/2007/11/web_20_is_the_w_1.html#comment-1283 Hmmm -- I think you misrepresent my talk a bit. I do agree that the world continues to evolve beyond the initial ideas in my 2005 web 2.0 paper -- though I keep repeating them because, as I said in Berlin, people *still* don't get some of the key principles, like how much the next leverage point is data, not software APIs. And the battle between the "one ring" and "small pieces loosely joined" operating system models is also very relevant (e.g. to facebook vs. opensocial). While I do think that the key principles I articulated are becoming the common wisdom for many, there are still lots of people who haven't fully grasped them. Comments on the talk in Berlin were evenly split between "been there, heard that" and "inspirational and thought-provoking." Depends on which part of the adoption curve you're on. But clearly, we're past the point where I have to keep pushing many of the ideas. Where you misrepresent my comments is regarding sensors. I used the last.fm example to show that *even* in Web 2.0 applications, we're moving towards autonomic tracking rather than explicit contribution. But the real sensor examples I gave in the talk were Norwich Union's "pay as you drive" insurance based on GPS data reporting, Microsoft's photosynth, which treats the camera as a sensor, IMMI, which uses a mobile phone to "listen" for advertisements for Nielsen-style measurement services, Jaiku's use of cell tower triangulation to report user location in a smart address book, and even Wesabe, which treats every credit card swipe as a kind of spending sensor, and every choice of spending as a "vote" on the popularity and price of merchants. I'm not sure how you missed these examples in the talk. I also talked quite a bit about social networks, and in particular how the phone has a huge repository of social network information just waiting to be tapped. Hmmm –
I think you misrepresent my talk a bit.
I do agree that the world continues to evolve beyond the initial ideas in my 2005 web 2.0 paper — though I keep repeating them because, as I said in Berlin, people *still* don’t get some of the key principles, like how much the next leverage point is data, not software APIs. And the battle between the “one ring” and “small pieces loosely joined” operating system models is also very relevant (e.g. to facebook vs. opensocial).
While I do think that the key principles I articulated are becoming the common wisdom for many, there are still lots of people who haven’t fully grasped them. Comments on the talk in Berlin were evenly split between “been there, heard that” and “inspirational and thought-provoking.” Depends on which part of the adoption curve you’re on.
But clearly, we’re past the point where I have to keep pushing many of the ideas.
Where you misrepresent my comments is regarding sensors. I used the last.fm example to show that *even* in Web 2.0 applications, we’re moving towards autonomic tracking rather than explicit contribution. But the real sensor examples I gave in the talk were Norwich Union’s “pay as you drive” insurance based on GPS data reporting, Microsoft’s photosynth, which treats the camera as a sensor, IMMI, which uses a mobile phone to “listen” for advertisements for Nielsen-style measurement services, Jaiku’s use of cell tower triangulation to report user location in a smart address book, and even Wesabe, which treats every credit card swipe as a kind of spending sensor, and every choice of spending as a “vote” on the popularity and price of merchants.
I’m not sure how you missed these examples in the talk.
I also talked quite a bit about social networks, and in particular how the phone has a huge repository of social network information just waiting to be tapped.

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